[RUSH TRANSCRIPT BELOW] National security expert T. Casey Fleming is the CEO of BlackOps Partners, a strategy and cybersecurity consulting firm that he founded in 2008. He’s also the author of the new book, “The Red Tsunami: The Silent Storm Killing Your Freedom.”

“It may look like a book, but it’s a whistleblower’s exposé and survival guide. … It basically tells you what to do to protect yourself,” Fleming said.

“Number one: Stop buying Chinese products and services and stop investing in companies that are investing in China,” he said.

The Chinese Communist Party has been using what are known as unrestricted warfare tactics against the United States for decades, and on multiple fronts, he said. Its purpose is to weaken the enemy from within—without firing a single shot.

There are dozens of tactics, including, for instance, cognitive warfare, drug warfare, and biological warfare. These manifest in the deployment of TikTok—which remains a powerful cognitive weapon in the CCP’s arsenal, Fleming argued—as well as the spread of both COVID-19 and fentanyl addiction in America.

For years, Americans have largely failed to notice this pattern of unrestricted warfare and how the pieces fit together. “The mosaic effect is you see bits and pieces and you don’t connect them, and so it doesn’t really mean much to you. … When you connect the dots… it becomes the mosaic. You now see what your enemy is doing and what the end goal is, and how you need to protect yourself.”

Casey said he believes this silent, unrestricted war is the final war: “The world will be won or lost within the next 10 years or less.”

Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

RUSH TRANSCRIPT

Casey Fleming, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Casey Fleming:

Great to be here.

Mr. Jekielek:

So Casey, we’ve known each other for quite a while. I mean, at least 10 years. I can’t remember the exact number. And you kind of came into our purview, The Epoch Times was quite a bit smaller at the time, but you noticed that we covered communist China well, and that was a rarity, right? And I remember, you know, we first connected, actually, I think around this issue of unrestricted warfare. Joshua Philipp had written kind of a lot of detailed information about how that was playing out. And you, through your own intelligence, recognized something that was familiar, and that’s how we connected. And now we’re kind of, we’ve been led to your book, the Red Tsunami, which is kind of, you know, I don’t know, it takes those ideas and takes them all to the next level. Explain to me what this unrestricted warfare is for the benefit of those that are not aware and how it manifests here.

Mr. Fleming:

It’s a war unlike any other, and it’s focused on the people, not focused on the military. In fact, unrestricted war is never meant to go to the military side, all the way to the end of that spectrum. It’s meant to weaken and destroy American society from within and kill our ability and will to fight. That’s what unrestricted warfare is. It’s also described as having no rules. There are no rules from the enemy. Everything is game. Any type of murder, maiming, or harming is absolutely part of the game. In fact, it’s celebrated by our enemy.

Mr. Jekielek:

So you call the red tsunami a silent storm. What is the red tsunami?

Mr. Fleming:

The red tsunami is the Chinese Communist Party [CCP] as it’s overtaking the Western world and the United States. How? By over 100 different methods of unrestricted warfare, which are meant to go after the people in a people’s war that never involves the military. So it’s focused on every man, woman, and child in the United States and the rest of the free world, but mostly the United States right now. And it’s to weaken the enemy from within, so it kills our will to fight. So it’s focused on the people, the people’s war, every man, woman, and child.

Mr. Jekielek:

So this was a fascinating perspective that I found in your book. And this is that the war is not being waged on battlefields, although it is as well. The war is not being waged, you know, kind of country to country, although it is as well. What you focus on is that this war is being waged directly on the minds of the individual person, as you just said. So that is something that’s difficult to grasp, might be difficult to grasp. Explain it.

Mr. Fleming:

Well, it’s not just the minds; it’s the bodies, it’s the religion, it’s the companies, it’s the economy; it’s all these things combined. So, on the minds, it’s called the cognitive war against the people. And the people that are most on the front lines of that cognitive war are our children. Their brains are in this whole clay mode that is malleable. Dr. Daniel Amen claims that the brains don’t finish developing until age 25. New reports say it’s age 32.

But it’s a cognitive war. While those brains are being developed, it’s completely erasing their ability for cognitive and critical thinking and replacing families and family values with communist values: hate your parents, rebel against your parents and your teachers, and so on. So, it’s in there just completely killing our values inside of our children’s heads and their ability to think and think critically. So, they’re much more open and programmable to the propaganda of your enemy.

Mr. Jekielek:

Does this mean you’re talking about TikTok, or how is this being done?

Mr. Fleming:

Absolutely TikTok, but the other apps are there as well. Other apps and other social media can be completely designed to do that. And then you go into AI [artificial intelligence]. AI is an influence model. Somebody’s tweaking, somebody’s changing, and somebody’s altering those models and tuning those models to whatever the narrative is. And it’s typically not the truth.

Mr. Jekielek:

It’s just that there are many different players in this space of manipulating. I mean, this is, you know, we live in a society where it’s somehow weirdly acceptable to manipulate people into, for example, buying products or, you know, taking certain medical interventions, right? Or, of course, the CCP trying to get people more amenable to its plan. But you’re kind of making it sound like it’s all the CCP here.

Mr. Fleming:

It’s mostly the CCP. The CCP has been doing this for many, many years. They redefined what war is. In 1999, two Chinese colonels wrote a book called Unrestricted Warfare. So, for 27 years, they’ve redefined what war is. And war is on each, every man, every woman, every child in America. That’s what war is. And it’s not the military piece. In fact, they still follow Sun Tzu who says to win the war without fighting. And so, the plan is never to go to military, even though they’re still building up their military. The plan is never needing to use it.

Mr. Jekielek:

Tell me a little bit about your background. How is it that you came to be sort of focused on the Chinese Communist Party’s unrestricted warfare?

Mr. Fleming:

I have a unique background for this because I came in through industry, cybersecurity, management consulting, and Silicon Valley turnarounds. And then I was sent to an FBI academy about economic espionage. One of the things they talked about was economic espionage and the theft of intellectual property. I said, wait a minute, is it that bad? And I did a study with a few folks, and it was actually much worse than we thought. And even back then, this was nearly 20 years ago, all roads led to the Chinese Communist Party, even back then. So we’ve been on this hunt for quite a while.

Mr. Jekielek:

And it started out with intellectual property, realizing that there was this mass intellectual property theft happening that you hadn’t grasped, which I think at that time many of us hadn’t, frankly, grasped. But how did that lead to all these other vectors?

Mr. Fleming:

Well, there were several incidents. The first one, even before that, was in 2001 when the Chinese forced down, basically rammed one of our Navy aircraft off the coast of China in international waters. It was a Navy surveillance plane with 24 soldiers on board. They rammed it and forced it to land on Hainan Island. To me, that was an act of war. And so that raised my antenna. Then it was probably around 2010 or 2011 when I went through the FBI Academy and learned about this economic espionage and so on.

The more we helped clients understand their risk around economic espionage, the more we learned that there were these other methods and other facets of unrestricted warfare. It was like an Easter egg hunt back in the early days. This is 2010 or 2011. Now we’ve been doing this for so long, this is just another Thursday to us. I’m sure to your listeners, this is like, oh my gosh, this is very serious. This is blowing my mind. How can this be? But like I said, for us, this is just another Thursday.

Mr. Jekielek:

But tell me a little bit more about your company and what you actually have done and who some of your clients were?

Mr. Fleming:

We advise Fortune 500 and Global 1000 companies on strategic risk, and that strategic risk always comes back to the Chinese Communist Party. So that caused us to create more of an intelligence group to do research and intelligence that is completely unbiased. We don’t take foreign money. We don’t take money from anybody else. We do that as a service to our clients.

The information we found, we would go and present to many, you know, Congress, the Pentagon, we’ve written articles, we’ve done many government agencies, on and on and on for many, many years, advising them to the point where I see them several years later, and they say, how did you know? I feel like I’ve seen this movie before. I’ve seen this thing, and I’ve got the checklist. How did you know? And so that’s kind of surprising within our government.

Mr. Jekielek:

You say it’s just another Thursday, okay. But maybe can you give me an example of one of the most shocking or crazy or unexpected finds that you did through your intelligence gathering work?

Mr. Fleming:

It wasn’t necessarily the intelligence gathering work where there are honeypots and theft and espionage and all these things. The thing that was really surprising to me, the guy with the group that’s the tip of the spear, was when COVID came out. We absolutely knew it was a weaponized bioweapon. We absolutely knew it was coming with all of our intelligence that we had.

And incidentally, open-source intelligence that is out there is much more efficient than solid government intelligence. Even though government intelligence is good, open-source is wider. It’s through the wire, the web, and so on. And it’s worldwide. So it really gives you a good opinion of what’s going on.

But the thing that really surprised me after COVID came out was all of the different movements that came out like clockwork. I thought it was going to happen over six or seven years, and it happened in six or seven months. All these different movements that you saw that came out, they were Marxist, socialist, communist movements. Those are all part of the same train, the same communist train.

Marxism and socialism, you vote that in, that’s basically voting your own suicide. And then communism is murder. That’s the big hammer that comes in at the end and tells you exactly how it’s going to happen, or we kill you and your family. So that was the biggest shock to me.

Mr. Jekielek:

Okay, two things. Clarify what you mean by you knew it was a bioweapon.

Mr. Fleming:

We knew that a virus that came out at that time, so serious, came out and it came from China. We knew the nefarious intent from China. We knew how dark and diabolical the mafia-type regime was of the Chinese Communist Party. And everything that happens in, Trump won, he called it the China virus. And he was quickly told to change that, and it was turned into COVID. But he called it the China virus, which was very apropos at the time.

Mr. Jekielek:

We called it the Wuhan coronavirus, which would have been a very appropriate name, actually, given the naming conventions, when we made a documentary about it in the early days. But this is the thing, when we were doing our work, we just observed that there were changes to this virus that appeared highly consistent with genetic manipulation that was happening at exactly this Wuhan Institute of Virology.

So it wasn’t like we didn’t know for sure what it is, but the likely scenario is that this insertion, which is exactly the type of thing they were doing in this lab, is likely what happened, not kind of a natural origin. We got in a lot of trouble for that, by the way, like big trouble, a lot of, you know, sort of cancellation and, you know, video takedowns and so forth.

Mr. Fleming:

And that’s to show you the level of infiltration, subversion, and power that the Chinese Communist Party has through the United States: federal, state, local, business. That’s the power. So that’s what you’re seeing. You’re seeing all this controlled, and it’s all part of a master plan, which is unrestricted warfare. That is exactly the reason I wrote the book. I’m not a book guy. Never wanted to write a book. Still don’t.

But that was the only way for me to get this message out to every man, woman, and young adult in the United States and the rest of the free world. So I hunkered down and put this information in a book for every mailbox in the United States and in the free world. And by the way, also into China; the plan is to get it into Mandarin because there are a lot of folks in China that want to be free.

Mr. Jekielek:

Well, so here’s what I think a number of people might be thinking right now. I’m actually thinking it at some level, but there are a lot of nefarious players out there, okay? And, yes, absolutely the CCP is the most nefarious. I mean, I suppose there might be people that might disagree with that, but I think we would agree on that point, right? And there are a lot of agendas, right? A lot of different agendas; some of those are just domestic agendas, and some of those domestic agendas are pretty extreme. So why is it that you’re so sure that the CCP kind of has a hand in all of it, as opposed to it just being very powerful domestic actors who have their own particular agendas and are looking for control and so forth?

Mr. Fleming:

Because knowing the CCP for so many years, they are the grand puppeteer over Russia, Iran, Pakistan, Venezuela, North Korea, drug cartels, and underneath Iran, you have them running the terrorist organizations. So the American people, the 3,200-pound gorilla in the room, is the Chinese Communist Party. You have other players who are working with the Chinese Communist Party. And if you want me to name those, I can as well.

But the American people need to, number one, understand what the threat is. And it’s the biggest threat of their lifetime. And they’re out of time. If you follow football, we’re in the fourth quarter, two minutes left, and no timeouts. That’s why I wrote the book. It’s got to be in everybody’s hands. The book is not for me. It’s for you, the people. It needs to be in every mailbox as soon as possible and read.

And by the way, you want to give it a good review because you want it to go viral. It’s not about selling books. This is not about the book of the month club. This is not about me. This is about getting the information to the American people. It’s got to be viral. It’s built on counterintelligence. It is not built on opinion.

So the American people need one throat to choke, okay? They need to be able to focus on one enemy. And the number one enemy is the Chinese Communist Party because they teach their kids to hate Americans and hate the United States and to train against Americans, and that the only thing standing in their way of their Chinese dream is the American people and the American economy and the world order that the Americans put forth after World War II.

So it is war. It is for all the marbles. I have a quote: the world will be won or lost in the next 10 years, within the next 10 years or less. What that means is there’s only two sides to this coin. Although other people want to say that there are five or six sides to this coin, you’re either free under freedom or you’re under communism. That’s it; there’s no other coin. So when you’re saying democratic socialist, that’s communism. When you’re talking socialism, that’s communism. When you’re talking Marxism, that’s communism. That’s the end result and the end goal.

So when you’re being sold all this utopia that communism and socialism present and getting all of our young folks all interested in democratic socialism, we want equality. Well, trust me, under socialism and communism, there is zero equality. The super and uber elites have all of the equality and all the riches and all the power and all the freedom. And the rest, 98 percent of the population, lives in poverty or lives as paupers with zero chance to affect their own lives.

Mr. Jekielek:

Well, let me tell a quick story, OK? So there’s a wonderful researcher named Philip Magness who basically looked at how Marx was referenced in other literature over time, right? And what he discovered, because he was kind of curious about this Marxist, we know that Marx’s economic theories were discredited very early since the time that he actually published them, but somehow there’s this grand story that there’s this,  you know, amazing, you know, Communist Manifesto people realized that it. People mobilized. But it turns out that Marx died with three people at his funeral and not really being known by anybody. So how did this happen?

Well, what happened was the Bolsheviks took power in the Soviet Union and they crafted the myth that this was all because of this grand vision of Marx and pushed that massively out into society and then became busy with creating communist movements all over the world, including China. And that’s, of course, where the roots of the Chinese Communist Party. The point I’m trying to make here is that this was very much an international movement always. It wasn’t just we want the Soviet Union or Cuba or Venezuela or whatever to be communist. No, no, no. We want everybody to be. Why, first of all? And two, build on that for me a little bit.

Mr. Fleming:

One reason, power. It’s all about power. What they consider themselves to be an elite group, which we know they’re not, it’s all about power. Where you can’t let people live, you’ve got to control someone. And what you just described, just to control everyone. And that’s the root of communism. They want to control everyone. If you remember back in, all of us have forgotten our high school history books. Communism and freedom, communism and democracy cannot coexist together. They’re like oil and water.

And so as long as communism is around, freedom threatens communism because they don’t want their people to be free. And as long as there’s freedom that’s out there, then it’s always going to be oil and water and it’s going to be cat and mouse. And it’s to the point where they have been very, very successful due to previous administrations, due to world order, due to other countries. Our world is, number one, a tinderbox.

And number two, you see other countries that are almost all the way over on the socialism-communist side, UK, EU, Canada. These are our brothers and sisters that are in need of dire help because they’ve taken their eye off the ball because they were so focused on their families, their businesses, their sports, and they allowed all this stuff to happen under the surface. That’s why they call it a stealth war.

Mr. Jekielek:

You know, it’s just also interesting because you’re kind of describing it to be like kind of a death match between communism and free society. And that’s like, of course, the free society doesn’t view it that way. Free society just wants to live and let live, have a good life, let people flourish, right, and so forth. But the communist view is very much that, like you’re an affront to our success.

Mr. Fleming:

Exactly. I’m glad you brought that up. This is the final war. And I mentioned it’s, you know, the world will be won or lost within the next 10 years or less. It will either be all free or it will be all communist. And that’s where we are headed. The Chinese and the Chinese Communist Party basically say, we must win. We must win. You must die. They don’t say you must lose; they say you must die.

Mr. Jekielek:

Where do they say that?

Mr. Fleming:

They say that many times in their writings. We’ve got it documented in many different places. We must live. You must die. We must win. You must die. They never say you must lose. And that’s the order that they will never coexist with anyone. Right now, they’re partnered with Russia, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, and all that kind of thing. So over time, you would expect in communist regimes, you know what happens to those guys. They get a bullet. In fact, anybody who partners, even the folks that are complicit in the United States, should the Chinese communists take over, they will receive a bullet because they’re no longer useful.

Mr. Jekielek:

You kind of go through a whole bunch of different what I would call verticals in your book of the ways, the routes of unrestricted warfare that are being affected on the American people, not just American people, but in your book, the American people. Give me a few very concrete examples that someone could kind of relate to in their everyday lives of how this manifests.

Mr. Fleming:

First of all, COVID. COVID is a biological weapon. And it’s not just COVID. What about COVID-2? What about COVID-3? What about the other extremely nefarious viruses put in aerosols and drones and so on? You’ve got to remember that these guys, our enemy, weaponize everything against the West. And in fact, Xi Jinping says that we will weaponize everything against the West.

But on our side, we can’t trade with them enough. We can’t do enough business with them. We can’t partner with them with government enough. So that all has to be fixed very, very quickly. But the concrete examples that COVID was number one. Number two, which is biological war, the war on your body.

Mr. Jekielek:

Well, let me jump in here for a moment, okay? What did you make of this biolab, this new biolab that was discovered, that was actually connected with apparently the owner of the previous one, which had all sorts of terrible, terrible diseases basically on its shelves? What do you make of this biolab situation?

Mr. Fleming:

Part of the plan. There’s no surprise to us at all. It’s part of the plan. The issue is why our government didn’t shut down the first one with prejudice and power. And so the second one, you know, this guy, how did this guy, you know, get out of that to start another lab in a residential neighborhood in Las Vegas? So that’s all part of the plan to start and begin these types of diseases and outbreaks within U.S. soil, not just from China. And it’s all part of the plan. So for us, it’s no surprise. What’s the plan? To kill as many Americans as they possibly can, to take over our country so they can have more fertile land.

Mr. Jekielek:

But wait, so you’re saying kill as many Americans with the plausible deniability that they’re not actually killing them?

Mr. Fleming:

Absolutely. That’s exactly the plan.

Mr. Jekielek:

So this is where fentanyl would be kind of the obvious example.

Mr. Fleming:

Another war on your body is drug warfare, fentanyl. The number in the intelligence community is double what’s reported by the federal government. It’s about 150,000 a year. We lose 150,000 military-aged young men and women every year. That’s the equivalent of World War II never ending. And that was on every page, every paragraph of every newspaper and every newsreel back in World War II.

Why is that not in mainstream media today? It’s the equivalent of two 737 jets going down every single day. That’s the equivalent of 350 families going to a funeral every single day. Why is that not in mainstream media? If it’s not in your media, it may be time to change. So those are concrete examples.

The other issue is the fentanyl today is six times more powerful than the fentanyl that was out three years ago. So all the Narcan on an ambulance cannot save a patient now. Typically what they have to do now is just try to intubate them, get them to the hospital, and pump them full of Narcan when they get there. So this is a war.

This is a street war, and it’s a family war. And almost everybody has people in their family, in their extended family, in their network that they’ve dealt with fentanyl deaths. And, number one, it’s for kids just taking pills in middle school, high school, college, 20s just taking a pill to get a quick high. Others are taking it because they have opioid addictions. So this is absolutely a weapon of war.

TikTok is cognitive war, a weapon of war. It’s recording your kids’ geolocation everywhere they are. It’s recording their micro antics with their faces. It’s recording their retinal scans, their facial scans, what they click on, what they buy, what time they get up, and what time they go to bed. In fact, we have evidence that the Chinese Communist Party has given that documentation to the Mexican cartels to introduce or to kidnap young girls for human trafficking.

So this is a bigger, worse world than people want to realize. They want to be focused on their football games, their golf games, and what’s for dinner, and their families, which is rightfully so. But now we’re out of time. The time is, you know, I used to be much more polite about this subject, and I’m not as polite anymore because the clock’s running out and I can see the scoreboard.

Mr. Jekielek:

Tell me a little more about the specific evidence of this data from TikTok being passed to Mexican cartels to facilitate human trafficking?

Mr. Fleming:

It’s all of it. You go back to the fentanyl; the headquarters for fentanyl, illicit fentanyl, is Wuhan, China. They ship it in containers to the western coast of Mexico. So there’s a partnership there. They do money laundering with the Mexican cartels around that. And so it’s also partnering any way they can. Remember, unrestricted warfare is to weaken your enemy by all means necessary, just short of conventional warfare. So weaken them, destroy them and their ability to fight and their will to fight. So they share this information to destroy families and destroy the fiber of wanting us to fight.

How willing are you going to be to fight if you lost a son, maybe two sons, to fentanyl? Are you really going to want to fight? And do you really want to, you know, or do you just want to cower into a corner? Most families are going to want to cower into a corner. Same thing. You know, if your daughters are stolen and kidnapped and put into human trafficking and sex trafficking, you know, how willing are you going to want to fight? So it’s destroying the family fiber. It’s destroying the fight in people by destroying what holds us together.

Mr. Jekielek:

You just described a situation where TikTok data is being handed to cartels to basically facilitate human trafficking. Tell me more about this. This is not something I’ve heard about before.

Mr. Fleming:

There’s one case that we know of in Southern California, two girls, seven and nine. Their bedrooms are in the front of the house. The mother meets her other friends on a Wednesday after school and picks up her daughters from school. Mom has wine at the local park with her other mothers, and they’re on TikTok as well. And TikTok already has these gorgeous pictures of these seven and nine-year-old daughters, and they always enter through the park on the east side of the park. The mothers hang out for a couple of hours, drinking wine and so on.

And so the girls were lured away from the mothers who were too busy in their own conversation. And they were lured away, and they were taken and put into human trafficking. And that’s all been tracked through TikTok and social media, TikTok, and through the sifting through the intelligence of what happened at that time. So that’s happening all the time everywhere.

So this TikTok is not this innocuous app with all these bunny rabbits and dogs and kitty cats. We actually have a TikTok video that came out about two weeks ago where we’ve got a CCP operative, that’s a spy, that’s on TikTok and says, listen, wait for the command. Keep organizing in your groups and wait for the signal, and then go to these houses with American flags, and they will have the ammunition and the guns that you need and the food that you need to carry out your mission. But wait for the signal. Keep organizing. And that was played through TikTok.

Now, if you showed me that as a father, I would have taken that phone and smashed it with a hammer. And what I want everybody to realize is when you pull that smartphone up to your head with all those apps in it, and I should know because I have a technology background, you have the same power to kill the brain and to kill that person as a nine millimeter. So it’s the same thing as putting a gun up to your head. If you’re using it more than a communication device—what time are you going to meet me? Where are we going to meet? How are you doing?—that kind of stuff. But if you’re going there for content, you’re sorely going to the wrong place.

And the other comment I'll make: if I were president tomorrow, and tomorrow is my day of president, at 12:01 a.m., I would have banned that app. China doesn’t allow any of our apps to penetrate the great Chinese firewall. Why do we allow their apps here? So think about that. Your enemy knows what they’re doing. They won’t allow them. Why do we allow them?

Mr. Jekielek:

You know, there is some sort of TikTok deal that’s happened, right? And I don’t know the—I don’t actually know the details of it sufficiently. Do you feel like it, you know, covers the concerns that you have?

Mr. Fleming:

It covers it in a way that it just whitewashes it. You cannot take a software application and just change owners and say, everything is cool. That doesn’t happen. That code was written to be an espionage, a military espionage tool. Even today, the sale’s over. The sale’s done. ByteDance, which is CCP, complete CCP, still owns 20 percent and owns the algorithm.

So, in other words, it owns the algorithm that’s destroying your children’s minds. So they’re turning into zombies and complete sponges for propaganda. And they’re tuning out your family values, your thoughts, your considerations, and your control, and your power and influence over your family. And replacing it with TikTok weaponized information.

Mr. Jekielek:

You know, I’ve been thinking about this a lot over the years because, you know, we have so much ample evidence that all these social media apps are designed to be addictive, are designed to capture your attention, and actually manipulate you very effectively in a whole suite of ways. This has been studied quite a bit right now. But, you know, until this moment, run by the Chinese Communist Party, which really seeks Americans ill. So it just takes it to a whole different level. And I just, I still think a lot of people don’t understand that.

Mr. Fleming:

They just think it’s just this fun, innocuous app with kitty cats and puppy dogs.

Mr. Jekielek:

But it’s also, you know, very effective for political organizing, even for Americans, I mean, right?

Mr. Fleming:

100 percent. You’re letting them in your kid’s bedroom. You’re letting them in your kids’ schools, and you’re letting them into your kids’ minds that you’re responsible for. Dr. Daniel Amen, the number one brain guy, has scanned over 300,000 brains. And he says the brain cannot protect itself up to age 25. And as I mentioned, it’s age 32 in a lot of other studies. And the parents have to protect the brain to 25, then the brain can protect itself.

If you’re a parent, and if you know what I know, you would go smash that phone in a heartbeat, or at least you'd delete all of those apps. By the way, those apps are all sending all of your kids’ data and all the information off your Wi-Fi, which are your business emails and everything else, to the Chinese Communist Party. So that’s what people don’t understand, and that’s what’s whitewashed.

Mr. Jekielek:

That’s if you have TikTok or another sort of CCP-oriented app on your phone. That’s what you’re saying.

Mr. Fleming:

Most apps. Most apps are tracking everything. They track over 500 data points on most smartphones.

Mr. Jekielek:

But, I mean, a lot of this data actually is depersonalized, but also highly available for purchase. And you can triangulate on accounts. I’ve had people on the show talking about this. It’s kind of shocking what you can figure out from someone with just open-source, publicly available data that I could buy tomorrow if I knew, you know, if I was in the mode of doing that.

Mr. Fleming:

Yes, that’s the marketing. But here’s the point. People don’t understand that it’s their data and it’s their privacy. The Bill of Rights came out 234 years ago. It could not possibly have been set for technology. We need an electronic Bill of Rights today, an electronic Bill of Rights that’s unbiased and managed by an unbiased entity, not Silicon Valley. And that information you’re talking about, number one, it is for sale to marketing organizations, but it’s also for sale to China, the CCP, Russia, and so on.

There’s nothing barring them from doing that. That’s why most people don’t understand. They think, oh, it’s just a fun phone. It’s just a cool instrument. I can watch movies on this thing. I can get jokes on this thing. I can get memes. They don’t understand the power of this weapon that’s in their hands. And this is coming from a technology executive. And if you knew what I knew, you would not be allowing your kids to have access to any of these apps.

Mr. Jekielek:

No screens for kids. I’m getting this strong message from you here.

Mr. Fleming:

Use that smartphone only for communication. You know, like, where are you? What are you doing? And so on. But when you put an app on your phone, just read through the terms and conditions, which are very fine print. I think it’s a two-point font that you’re looking at. When you look through the 165 pages of that agreement that you didn’t want to go through, you just want to get to the app because you have a busy day, you’re basically giving everything away, everything in the past, everything in the present, and in the future.

You’re giving all of that away to people who don’t care about you, and they don’t care about your family. They just want to, you know, use your information, make a heck of a lot more money, and in the U.S., drive the stock price, and in China, kill you. And that’s really what’s going on. And that’s, you know, those are the details behind what’s going on.

Mr. Jekielek:

What do you say to people who are very suspicious of the government, right, in their respective free countries, which has been, you know, shown to be up to no good in many ways, right, with all of its kind of fraught manifestations? And, you know, say, Casey, you’re just sort of trying to blame some external boogeyman here. Really, the problem is here, back home. How do you respond to people who would say that?

Mr. Fleming:

They’re not totally informed. They need to be more informed. Get the book. And yes, can it be abused inside of their own countries, Canada, U.S., U.K.? Can it be abused? Absolutely. Is there a boogeyman? Yes. Is there one single boogeyman? Yes. One throat to choke? The Chinese Communist Party. But any technology can be misused or weaponized.

And in the U.S., that’s why we need an electronic bill of rights that’s driven by the Constitution and not by Silicon Valley and not by the government. Silicon Valley says, oh, trust us, we'll take care of it. And then, you know, that’s why they find themselves in front of Congress quite a bit regarding why kids are committing suicide and having suicide pacts and all that kind of stuff with U.S. social media, not just TikTok.

So we need the rights of the American people back in order. You know, in America, the Constitution gives the power and the rights to the people, and the people tell the government what to do. Over the past several decades, the government has been telling the people what to do. So the people need to take back their power.

Mr. Jekielek:

You describe your book as a survival guide. So qualify that for me.

Mr. Fleming:

It’s a little bit more. It’s not just a book. It may look like a book, but it’s a whistleblower’s exposé and survival guide. So we give you the information. When I go out and speak, people always have two questions and usually a third. Number one is, where’s your book? And I’ve never been a book guy. If you ever write a book, that means you have to slow down, you know, and completely slow down, put everything else aside, and write a book. I’ve never wanted to do that. And I always waited for somebody else to do it, and it never happened.

Other people wrote great books in and around the subject. Nobody wrote the 360, and nobody wrote it to the most important people, and it’s the American people in every mailbox. So that’s the whistleblower’s exposé, and the survival guide basically tells you what to do to protect yourself. We go through 20 different items in the book that you can start by taking back your power and protecting your family.

Number one, stop buying Chinese products and services and stop investing in companies that are investing in China. For your investments, make sure that they’re not investing in China. They’re investing in an enemy that’s killing you, not wanting to kill you. I just said 150,000 people a year of our youth. That’s the future of our country. So it’s on you. If you’re buying Chinese products and services, it’s on you.

So that top, that $17 top from Shein probably isn’t worth it, not worth your children’s lives. That cool tool, that nice new flashlight that you can get for $18 or something from a big box store, or that knockoff purse from DHgate, I don’t think your friends really need to see that on you if it means that your kids are going to be having a real bad time in the very near future.

Mr. Jekielek:

So another thing that you and I have talked about a number of times before is something you describe as asymmetrical hybrid warfare. It’s a mouthful, kind of almost like a mind-boggling phrase. What is that? Is that this unrestricted warfare, or is this something different?

Mr. Fleming:

It is unrestricted warfare. All the other names military uses—irregular warfare, uneven warfare—are previous names. Asymmetrical hybrid warfare basically means it’s coming at you from all different directions. That’s unrestricted warfare. Hybrid means you’re achieving military goals through non-military methods. So it’s all related; if you want the Reader’s Digest version of it, it’s unrestricted warfare.

Mr. Jekielek:

What’s the mosaic effect of this warfare?

Mr. Fleming:

That’s actually a great question. The mosaic effect is you see bits and pieces, and you don’t connect them. And so it doesn’t really mean much to you. It’s like it’s a one-off; it’s in the news cycle, and then it’s gone. And that’s another one—a one-off, and it’s a news cycle, and it’s gone. When you connect the dots, which I do in the book, it becomes the mosaic. You now see what your enemy is doing and what they want, what the end goal is, and how you need to protect yourself. That is really the mosaic effect.

Mr. Jekielek:

Another piece of this unrestricted warfare, which I just want to highlight here, is just because of so many things being produced in communist China, there’s all sorts of, I don’t know, we have examples of, for example, solar panels being able to have on and off switches that are controlled by the CCP, or we have these large high-voltage transformers, giant monster things, that are only produced over there, and you kind of wonder to yourself: do you think they really wouldn’t put in some tech there to affect that, given that you could actually damage the U.S. electric grid? This is a huge vector of the actual production. It’s so much production of technology, and not just the cheap things, but slightly more expensive things. Dig into that for me a little bit.

Mr. Fleming:

Again, everything that the Chinese Communist Party does—in other words, China is weaponized—and you have to assume it’s weaponized against the enemy, which is us, the United States. So all these things can be done at a switch. In other words, on the 5th of June or whatever the date is, they can shut down the internet, shut down critical infrastructure, which is internet, water, electricity, natural gas, gasoline pipelines, all those things to cripple us, shut down our ability to fight and to resupply.

And basically, you know, think about it. How long are you going to go? How long are the American people going to be able to hang tight without any power, water, food, all that? And we’ve done it to ourselves. We’ve allowed them into our critical infrastructure, which we never should have. You haven’t gone to EVs yet. All the EVs are, first of all, they’re espionage vehicles and they can be shut down at a moment’s notice, or they can be plugged in to go to a hundred miles an hour at any moment’s notice. So personally, I don’t think I'll be buying a Chinese EV.

Mr. Jekielek:

And they’re just like one big giant sensor. Exactly. A massive information-gathering tool, right, of every sort.

Mr. Fleming:

All your conversations inside, your heart rate, your blood pressure, everything that’s going on inside those cars, buses, anything EV coming out of China cannot be trusted.

Mr. Jekielek:

You say something really important here, OK, which is anything that can be weaponized likely is. That’s the baseline assumption that we have to have. That’s certainly not the baseline assumption that we’ve had.

Mr. Fleming:

No.

Mr. Jekielek:

Feels like a big shift.

Mr. Fleming:

It’s a tremendous shift because a lot of things have gone into it. Our administrations change every four years. Business doesn’t want anything to get in the way of their quarterly profits. And they'll look away when they get half of their intellectual property stolen. Solar panels were 100 percent U.S. innovation. Now you can’t get a solar panel unless it’s manufactured in China with kill switches or fire-starting switches. You don’t know.

Same thing with electronic windmills, energy windmills. 100 percent United States. Now, 85 percent of them are made in China. They stole the intellectual property from American Superconductor. The U.S. attorney at the time called that corporate homicide.

You have to also look at those industries. The revenue from those industries gives us profit, revenue, profit, jobs, schools, hospitals, and national security. But when you take that industry away from the United States, all of that, including national security, goes to the Chinese Communist Party. And so they’re doing that industry by industry, partial industry by partial industry, pulling that all over. And it’s all stolen intellectual property.

It takes us seven years, for example, to come up with a cancer drug or a hybrid seed that they dig up out of an Iowa cornfield. And all that is, all of a sudden they are on par. We work off of international laws. They are your laws. You know, the CCP says those are your laws. They’re not our laws. And so all this takes, it takes us seven years and $3 billion to do the research on this or on that.

All of a sudden, your enemy becomes on par. In the case of American Superconductor, it cost them 20,700 euros. That’s not even a car. And that’s what it costs them to get the source code for those windmills. And then they canceled $900 million worth of inventory. And that’s what took the stock from $45 to $450. So that’s what’s going on that people don’t understand.

Mr. Jekielek:

One of the things declared by Xi Jinping or elevated by Xi Jinping’s national priorities is something called military-civil fusion. Explain that to me.

Mr. Fleming:

Every bit of technology goes into a military-civil fusion center in China, where they strip out and they decide, number one, what can we use with this commercial technology, this thermal paint layer that’s made for pipelines and for oil rigs, so if it catches fire, it expands and helps protect the infrastructure? What can we use that from a military perspective?

So it’s kind of like an 80/20, right?  They’re focused on what’s the military application, how can we manipulate and exploit that for military purposes, and then how can we use that to build our economy? And also, the byproduct is to shut it down in the United States eventually and starve us away from our own technology.

Mr. Jekielek:

I think that one of the things that’s difficult to understand, right, for a lot of folks that I’ve spoken with, is how much control over absolutely every aspect of society the Chinese Communist Party actually has, right? For you and me, this is sort of obvious because this is how that system works, and we understand that. But I want you to kind of build that out for me a little bit, because I honestly think this is a challenge. Like, we live in a free society here, people exercising a lot of individual agency. People are concerned about all sorts of government overreach, and rightfully so in many cases, okay? It’s just like a different level of overreach or, you know, control over there. Flesh that out for me.

Mr. Fleming:

Number one, we in a free world don’t grow up thinking about communist control, that everything is controlled in our lives and our family, and this is just the way it is. We can’t even comprehend what it’s like being raised in a communist regime or under a communist regime. So first and foremost, we don’t understand that. We don’t have the mental capability on the surface to understand that. And when you start to understand that other side, that communist regime and how dark and diabolical it is, only after time are you hardened.

People ask me, how do you get used to this? I said, I guess it’s like being an ER doctor. Your first night, you’re freaking out. Your first week, it’s, oh my God. After about three weeks, it’s like, okay, bring in the next gunshot victim. And you get hardened from it.  But we’re in an open society with open laws. They use those open laws against us as a weapon to be weaponized against us. And that’s the biggest thing: we don’t understand it. The best thing I can take you through is when I first got into this.

My first 30 days were just like everybody else watching this, I’m sure. No, they’re not doing this. I’m telling you, that’s the way I was. Then the next 30 days were, hmm, they could be doing this. This is after day after day of seeing the intelligence come in. And then the next 30 days were, oh my gosh, they are absolutely doing this. So my learning curve was like that over the first 90 days. I went from, no way to, oh my gosh.

Now, because this has hit the news, these things have hit the news cycle so much, that’s compressed for the American people and the Canadians and the rest. So maybe my 90 days are compressed into maybe 10 to 15 days for folks. They’ve seen enough to be able to connect the dots they know. What I get told when I go out in front of audiences is that we know something’s up. It was something that was so extraordinary and forced all of us into all this control. The government told us what we had to do. We couldn’t do this, we couldn’t do that, we had to do this, and they knew something was up. And then they said all these different movements were coming out, but then we just want normal back. All we want is normal back.

The problem is all this chaos that you’re seeing is to mask that normal will never come back. And there will be a new normal, which is you no longer have the rights you had before. And you’re now much further along on this communist model. As far as control, the Chinese Communist Party in China has over 700 million surveillance cameras that are based on U.S. technology. It’s all managed with AI based on stolen U.S. technology. And so they manage every bit of your life.

And then they have an app that’s a social credit app that charges. They want your kids to report you to the Chinese government for doing wrong things or anti-regime things. And get rewarded. And get rewarded. So your kid’s social credit score goes up 15 points, and your social credit score goes down 15 points. And your neighbors the same way. Family members, people you work with. So nobody trusts anybody. Nobody wants to talk to anybody.

And so this is the life of what you’re looking at. And you have to be a total yes-man or woman to the CCP, or you won’t get to travel. You won’t get good jobs. Your kids won’t go to university. They sure won’t go to university in the U.S., U.K., or any of that other stuff. So it’s total control. You’ve got 700 million cameras, which is more than all the other cameras in the world combined. So that’s really what’s going on.

Mr. Jekielek:

You know, something that I really like about the Red Tsunami is, I do think, you know, in this kind of mosaic concept, I do think you bring together a whole range of disparate realities that many people, that you know, watch the news regularly or might be familiar with or have been freaked out about but never actually put them together. I actually think this is the strongest thing about your book.

Mr. Fleming:

Thank you, and it connects all the dots. It absolutely connects the dots to what most people would say, oh, that’s a one-off, that’s a one-off, and that’s a one-off. And they don’t connect the dots. And it’s out of the news cycle. And that was two years ago. And that was two months ago. And this and that. That’s why it was so important for me to write the book.

And I’m not selling books here; I’m trying to communicate to all of my brothers and sisters in the free world what is going on. You are in the middle of a war, and it is total war. It’s the final war. Whoever wins this war will own the planet for the next 2,000 years. It will either be all free or it will be communist. And that’s, like I said, there’s only two sides to this coin.

And the problem is the coin is now getting really shiny on the communist side because we’ve ignored it. We have not connected the dots. We’ve put our families at risk because we don’t know any better. Nobody’s connected the dots for us. If it sounds like I’m trying to sell a book, I am absolutely not trying to sell a book. I’m trying to communicate with everyone.

Mr. Jekielek:

Well, and we also, you know, on the one side, you know, because it was lucrative to kind of play footsies with the Chinese regime. I mean, that’s a glib way to put it, right? But also ideologically, I’m looking at statistics that show me that so many young people just sort of think that this cold coffee is a good idea, despite the sort of wild amounts of evidence that we have on what an utter abject disaster it creates every single time it’s implemented.

Mr. Fleming:

Here’s the summary version. Marxism and socialism are all part of the communist regime or the communist ideology. Communism is the final hammer at the end. You do what we tell you to do or we will kill you. That is the final end to the thing. A lot of kids today, actually, they did a study of Gen Z and some Gen X. And it was a study just a couple of months ago by Rasmussen. They interviewed 1,500 of them. And they would like to see the consensus of that poll was they would like to see a democratic socialist in the White House in 2028.

Number one, we have let those kids down. We as adults have let those kids down. Somebody did not get in their life and tell them what really is going on. And democratic socialism, it’s just another word for communism. Mamdani in New York, he’s just another word for communism. Democratic socialism is not something new and it’s not ever. And so when they say, well, the United States is not equal, it’s horrible. Look at all these people that are not equal. And over here, everybody in China is equal and so on. And that’s not the case. Everybody in Russia is equal. That’s not the case.

You’ve got oligarchs, you’ve got super elites that control everything, they have all the wealth, and so on. So we have not done our young the justice, and it’s now our war. Whether anybody likes it or not, they are in World War III today. This is what World War III looks like. The book explains it. The survival guide explains it.

World War III will typically or likely never go to military. Okay, it‘ll never go to the end of the spectrum, which is conventional war and the military piece of it. We will succumb to the other forces that are being put upon us today. And they’re there. All you have to do is look at the first chapter, the second chapter, and you’ll see, oh my God, this is absolutely true. This is true, and that’s true, and this connects these dots and so on.

So for that group and that study to come out to say they want a democratic socialist in the White House in 2028, which are, by the way, the same folks that pretty much put Mamdani in office for mayor in New York City, be careful what you ask for because you can’t undo it. You don’t get a do-over. Once you do it, there’s no do-over. So understand what is happening, what’s really at stake, and I take the time to do that. For God and country, I take the time to do that in the book.

Mr. Jekielek:

Well, Casey Fleming, it’s such a pleasure to have had you on.

Mr. Fleming:

It’s great to be here, and thank you, Jan.

This interview has been partially edited for clarity and brevity.